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Podcast Season 2 Episode 3 – The Tale of the Librarian and The Researcher

We’re joined by Dr Delyth Edwards from Leeds University and Elvie Thompson from The British Library to find out what that means for people in the city, and to hear about the creation of a new recipe book by 30 unaccompanied, asylum-seeking young people.

We welcome two guests from Leeds, which is an official Child-Friendly City.

We’re joined by Dr Delyth Edwards from Leeds University and Elvie Thompson from The British Library to find out what that means for people in the city, and to hear about the creation of a new recipe book by 30 unaccompanied, asylum-seeking young people.

Cooked with Love: World recipes without borders looks to create and enhance connections between young people in Leeds and their social workers and other supporting adults, and brings together food from Iran, Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia and Eritrea and Afghanistan. Download a copy here: www.bl.uk/projects/food-means-home.

You can catch up with all episodes so far at wearebluecabin.com/podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Produced and mixed by Will Sadler of Anya Media.

Transcript

Please note that this transcript is auto-generated and therefore will contain some errors and natural pauses in conversation.

[00:00:00] DAWN: Welcome to the creative life story work podcast, where we explore how a creative approach to life story work can help children and young people who are in care, make sense of their past and build a brighter future, a new model for life story work is being rolled out in the northeast of England. And this podcast shares the latest learning and investigates how it could help improve the lives of care experienced children and young people across the country.

[00:00:33] My name is Dawn Williams and I am an associate at Blue Cabin, one of the partners on this exciting work in the region. Today, we get the chance to explore how regional organisations

[00:00:52] So I’m absolutely delighted to welcome to our podcast studio, two allies and friends of Blue Cabin, who both have connections to the Northeast. And who have both stepped into new roles in the city of Leeds. So a new chapter and new beginnings for both of our guests today. I’d really like to warmly welcome Dr.

[00:01:14] Deleth Edwards, who is a lecturer in inclusion, childhood and youth in the School of Education in the University of Leeds. And Elvie Thompson, lead learning producer at the British Library in Leeds. Welcome to both of you to the podcast studio this morning. Thank you Dawn. You’re very welcome. Lovely, lovely to have both of you here.

[00:01:37] Um, Deleth, I wonder if we could start with you. So I was trying to remember, I couldn’t remember what the year was, but I think you were, research associate maybe, Leicester University. Uh, we met in Bencham, marvellously the home of Blue Cabin, uh, when you were looking at understanding everyday participation and articulating what that meant to young people.

[00:02:04] Um, I wondered if you, to start us off, would like to tell us a bit about your new role at, uh, University of Leeds and maybe also how you know Blue Cabin. What is it you’ve been doing with us?

[00:02:17] DELYTH: Yeah, okay. So, uh, yeah, as Dawn said, I’ve recently moved to the city of Leeds, um, working at the University of Leeds, which is actually really exciting because Leeds, um, is a child friendly city.

[00:02:31] And I’m just finding marvellous things that are happening in this city. So for me, for somebody who teaches childhood and youth, who works in the field of childhood and youth, it’s really exciting for me to be here. working in this city now. Um, but yes, how I, well, I suppose how I know Blue Cabin is exactly through my understanding, my role as a postgraduate Everyday Participation, um, project, which was, uh, an Arts and Humanities Research Council funded project.

[00:03:03] Um, in Gateshead, um, as you know Dawn, we were looking at the everyday participation of young, um, girls growing up in foster care. Um, but we were doing other pieces of work, and we were trying to find out what participation looked like in the Northeast, particularly in Gateshead. Um, so this is how I met Dawn, this is how I came to know Blue Cabin.

[00:03:23] Um, and then a couple of years down the line, I came across the wonderful work that Blue Cabin was, yeah, doing around life story work. Um, And then I was very happily and thankfully asked to be a part of two projects, um, that were being commissioned by South Tyneside Council, um, and funded by the Department for Education, um, and, um, These were about, um, time together.

[00:03:52] So we were looking at the experiences of, um, family time, um, that young people in care have with their birth families during COVID and also looking at children in care councils. So that’s how I came to work with and be an ally. of Blue Cabin. Um, in my role at university, um, so I’m a lecturer, um, so I teach childhood and youth to mostly master’s students, and what’s really wonderful is that my students, the majority of my students, 95 percent of my students, are international, so they come from all over the All over the world.

[00:04:27] Um, and I get to talk to them about the projects that I’ve done with blue cabin. I’ve shown them the blue cabin website. We talk about life story work. So I’ve just taught them about care experience as a childhood experience. And the thing about care experience, it’s a global, it’s a social fact. Every community is a social fact.

[00:04:45] on the planet has some form of care experience. So I’ve been, yeah, talking about care experience in the UK because that’s my area of expertise. But I’ve also been learning from my Chinese students, for example, about children left behind, which is a form of kinship care. So there’s kind of like a dialogue, between the two of us, me and my students.

[00:05:06] Um, so that’s really exciting.

[00:05:08] DAWN: That’s really lovely to hear you using the Blue Cabin website as a provocation for your students from the UK and international as well. I hadn’t realised that. That’s fantastic.

[00:05:20] DELYTH: And, um, I shared the blog that I’ve just written for the Blue Cabin Creative Life Story Work and I’ve had so many of the students come and ask me questions about life story work.

[00:05:29] Could it be used for these other groups from the country that I’m from? And I’m like, absolutely. Um, so it’s making, it’s raising awareness amongst our international students, one, about care experience and what that means. And also, um, of life story work. Fantastic.

[00:05:48] DAWN: Yeah. Fantastic. Um, Elvie, um, really interested to hear about your role at the British Library.

[00:05:57] Um, and also any connections that you have with the British Library. Blue Cabin would be lovely to hear as well.

[00:06:04] ELVIE: Sure. Maybe I’ll answer the second part first. Um, I, my previous role before I worked for the British Library, I worked for Culture Bridge North East, um, in the North East, um, making connections between the art sector and the education sector and anywhere where there are children, young people.

[00:06:24] Um, I had the great delight of having some funding to distribute as part of that role, um, and distributed some of it to Blue Cabin to support the creative life story work. Um, which, yeah, one of the, one of the things that, um, I was very proud of and happy about in that, in that job. Um, And I guess that was how I, how I got to know Blue Cabin.

[00:06:44] Yeah. One of the best funding applications I’ve ever seen. It was a very easy decision to hand over some cash. Um, and, um, I, you know, was, and remain like really inspired by the work that, uh, that Blue Cabin does. Um, so. My, well, my absolute pleasure. Um, so having moved on from Culture Bridge North East a couple of 2020, that I started working for the British Library in Leeds.

[00:07:12] Um, so of course the British Library is the national library of the UK, um, but we’ve actually got a really, uh, long history in Leeds itself, I’ve been there our whole life kind of just it’s our 50th birthday this year and it’s 50 years in Leeds. Um, but it’s a bit of a secret, uh, it’s a lot of our kind of like back of house stuff happens in Leeds.

[00:07:33] Most of the national collection lives in Leeds. Um, you know, we’ve got 500 odd members of staff working in Leeds, but it’s kind of a well kept secret. So we are now, uh, trying to do more. public programming in the area, um, just to work a bit harder for people who are our neighbors. So my role is all about developing new learning programs in Leeds, um, across everything that that means.

[00:07:58] Um, so lots of the work I’ve been doing so far has been, um, school engagement, kind of setting up our schools program, um, but also some family engagement. Um, and, um, I really want to do targeted work with, uh, kids who might be more difficult to engage with, my you know, be less ready to kind of come and do things with the library.

[00:08:18] Um, and that led me towards, totally inspired by Blue Cabin, um, thinking about how we could support care experienced children, young people in the city.

[00:08:27] DAWN: I love it. It, yeah, definitely a secret. I like that you described it as a secret because when, when we were talking, I was like, I didn’t know that there was a British library.

[00:08:35] I thought you were working in London. We go, no, no, I’m in Leeds. I was thinking, oh, so is Daylight. Elvie, um, Deleth mentioned that, um, Leeds, uh, is a child friendly city and I, I wondered if you wanted to say something about, about how that works, because it was fascinating when you were telling us about, uh, what that means as a, as an organization, um, what that means for you.

[00:09:04] ELVIE: Yeah, so, um, being a child friendly city is a commitment that Leeds City Council made on behalf of the city, uh, 10 10th anniversary this year. Um, and it means that they have a plan for children, young people across all, um, services that the council runs and partners that the council works with, um, to make sure that children, young people are at the heart of, of everything that they, that they do to make it child friendly city as it can be.

[00:09:32] Um, as part of that, uh, they invite organizations and individuals to be, uh, child friendly Leeds ambassadors. So the British Library is a child friendly Leeds ambassador. Um, so that means kind of keeping in contact with them, supporting activities and, you know, communications that they do, um, and looking for opportunities to work together in partnership.

[00:09:54] Um, it’s a really high profile thing in the city. Um, you know, they do, uh, big events for children, young people. Um, they provide, like I was just looking the other night at a, a map they’ve produced for, you know, kind of with children, young people, for children, young people of the city to kind of navigate around, um, things that are interesting and useful for them.

[00:10:15] It was a really lovely thing about coming and working in Leeds and just starting to have conversations with people around the city. that everyone was mentioning Child Friendly Leeds as being a really good thing, as being a really good connector for me as a new person kind of working in the sector in the city.

[00:10:30] Um, so very, very quickly was put in touch with a fantastic woman, um, Jane Kay, who was working at Child Friendly Leeds at the time and had been there, I think, for its whole life, um, who opened just all sorts of doors actually to, to projects that we’ve gone on to do, um, and was really crucial for us making connections into children and families social work team in the city.

[00:10:52] DAWN: Deleth, you mentioned child, uh, friendly leads as well, and I wondered how you’re using that connection in your work in, in your school of education.

[00:11:02] DELYTH: Um, yeah, well, I suppose to be honest, it’s something that I’m still quite learning about. Um, I have talked about, um, in previous, um, in my previous institution in Liverpool, we were looking at what makes a child friendly city.

[00:11:18] Um, and Leeds was always put as this great example of what they’re doing. Like we were looking just in terms of space and mapping and how children are part of the city, a part of the urban space. Um, but since I’ve moved to Leeds and actually meeting Alvi and going to the event the other night, it’s just made me realize that I need to make more connections because I think, you know, My students could actually learn a lot about the practices, what Leeds are doing, the commitments they’re making to make Leeds a child friendly city, what that means, and then also what my students can take away from that in their professions, because a lot of my students come from an educational background, pre primary or primary education.

[00:12:04] Um, so I think I could actually bring it into my teaching and it would be really great to get some, uh, people who are involved in Leeds being a child friendly city to come and talk to

[00:12:14] ELVIE: students as well. Yeah, the, the kind of youth voice and influence is really important for child friendly Leeds. So they were saying, um, we had an event the other night that they, that they were at and they were saying they’ve just refreshed, they have 10 wishes for children and young people in, in, in Leeds that kind of drive their strategy, um, they’ve just refreshed them as part of their 10th.

[00:12:33] birthday celebrations. I think they said they’d spoken to 80, 000 children and young people across the city as part of revising those wishes. Um, so you can really see that, that commitment.

[00:12:43] DELYTH: Yeah, absolutely. And that’s one of the things that we teach in childhood studies is the importance of putting children at the centre of everything and To them.

[00:12:51] They have a voice. Let’s listen. And yeah, when they said that at the event the other night that they’d spoken to 80,000 children and young people, it’s just incredible. It’s in incredible to see that

[00:13:01] DAWN: as a, a really great example of children’s voices being linked directly to policy in a, in a meaningful way rather than a ticky boxy way.

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[00:13:34] DAWN: Deleth keeps referencing the event that you were at the other night, and I wondered, Alvi, if you would like to speak to it.

[00:13:40] ELVIE: I’d love to, absolutely. Definitely the highlight of my week so far, apart from coming on the So we, uh, one of the projects that Childfully Leads, um, enabled us to do, uh, with the social work team, um, is that we have just finished making a recipe book with a group of about 30 unaccompanied asylum seeking young people, um, from different parts of the world, Chad, Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan, uh, Eritrea and Ethiopia.

[00:14:11] Um, we work with them to put together a selection of their favorite recipes from home, um, which we’ve presented in a beautiful, uh, recipe book that we had a launch event for on Wednesday, which, yeah, Delos was very welcome as a, as a guest there at that event. You have to tell us what the recipe

[00:14:29] DAWN: book was called.

[00:14:30] ELVIE: Oh, it’s called Cooked with Love. Yay! That was, uh, one of the, one of the young people, um, Ali from, uh, from Sudan came up with, uh, that title, uh, but it was something really common to all of them, actually. So one of the beautiful outcomes of the, of the project, um, is, you know, the social workers say that it was really effective, uh, life story work because it gave the young people that opportunity to reflect on their homes and families and, and, and memories in a really, like, positive setting.

[00:15:00] Um, you know, they’ve mentioned a few times that most, most often when they’re talking about their lives, um, it’s the, it’s the worst version of their life stories that they have to keep recounting as part of their process of applying for a refugee status in the UK. And they don’t necessarily always have the space and the opportunity to remember the really positive.

[00:15:22] things about their lives and share those really positive things. Um, and that’s reflected in the books as well. Absolutely. It’s a real celebration of them, um, their identities, their memories and culture. Um, and that idea of, um, of cooked with love sort of came from those, those books. those conversations that was, you know, they were, they were talking about their, their mothers and their families and, um, that idea of sharing food as being something that was really important as in across all of their cultures.

[00:15:51] So yeah, Cooked with Love.

[00:15:52] DAWN: How gorgeous. And, and you, and, and where can, where can, um, where can people see? Cooked with Love, or get a copy of it.

[00:16:03] ELVIE: You can download it for free from the British Library website. Um, I don’t know if there’s a way to share a link, uh, in podcast notes or anything like that. Um, if anyone has a pen and wants to write it down, it’s bl.

[00:16:16] uk forward slash food hyphen means hyphen home, which was the original title of the project. Yes, but we’re giving copies of the hard copies of the book out for free, uh, across leads. Um, so guests at the launch event got one. Um, but the social services team are gonna be giving it out to, uh, foster carers, um, and, uh, young people who are kind of newly arriving in the city to help ’em kind of negotiate cooking and food in their, in their new, in their new homes.

[00:16:43] DAWN: Oh, just, just such a gorgeous, gorgeous, uh, project. And Deleth, you went to that event, and I’m just wondering how that transfers into your, uh, uh, role at the university with your students. And what does that mean in terms of all, like, Policymaking or life story work. What does that, because that’s a real living example of it, isn’t it?

[00:17:07] DELYTH: Absolutely. And, um, yeah, I was just struck by what Elvie said then about it being a form of life story work. And it absolutely is. Um, and how young people are always asked to kind of reflect on those negative. Parts of their life in this and just being at the front you could see it was a celebration Of life story and memory and identity and it was so incredible to be there Um, and I actually talked about it.

[00:17:30] So I was actually teaching a seminar class Um, on the Wednesday and I was teaching about care experience to my students. Um, and we were talking about care experience globally. Um, and I was saying that care experience is also a mobile experience. You know, young people coming to the UK who are unaccompanied, who are being separated from family and coming into the care system in the UK.

[00:17:55] So, care experience exists and is experienced in very different ways. And then I was saying, actually, I’m going to an event tonight about young people who have created this recipe book. And the students, I put the link on, so all the students are going to go and look and download the book and cook from it.

[00:18:12] Um, and so, yeah, and we were talking about how Um, as Alfie just said that this book is going to be given to foster carers to children’s homes because when a young person goes into care, they are separated from their identity, from their heritage and to have something there that’s familiar to you from your home is so impactful, it’s so important.

[00:18:34] And we have these discussions all the time about care experienced young people in the UK being separated from who they are. Um, And I think this is just a wonderful example of the little steps that we can take and bring into policy to help a young person feel a sense of belonging and having some connection to their heritage.

[00:18:55] And I think it’s a great example. So I’m definitely going to be bringing it more into my teaching. Um, because as I said, my, my students are really interested in care experience because it’s not something that’s talked about that much in some of their home countries. And I don’t think they’ve ever really.

[00:19:11] thought about young people in care, which is really interesting because obviously it’s my, I talk about it all the time, all day, um, so to have these examples is just, yeah, really, really brilliant.

[00:19:23] ELVIE: The other thing that just occurred to me while you were talking, Deleth, um, just another little reflection was that, um, Some of the, some of the young people we worked with were really great cooks, um, and really knew, you know, knew those recipes, how to make the food that they wanted to share.

[00:19:38] Um, but some of them really couldn’t cook, you know, they had left home when they were so young and had just been eating what, you know, what they could get their hands on, uh, while they’d been traveling. So it was a great opportunity actually for them to learn from one another, like things they remembered eating at home and really enjoying, but didn’t know how to make or where to get the ingredients from.

[00:19:57] They will be able to learn that from their peers and then obviously the book will, um, enable that, that learning to can be passed on to other young people, um, arriving in

[00:20:04] DELYTH: Leeds as well. Absolutely. It’s such a legacy, isn’t it? And this is something that, you know, I just find really fascinating about care experiences, inheritance, and this idea of inheritance, and these young people have created a book and something that other young people will be able to inherit.

[00:20:22] It’s incredible.

[00:20:24] DAWN: And the book will be in the British Library. I find that incredible. Forever. Forever. I never knew that every book is in the British Library till Elvie told me. Every single one. Yeah. Absolutely every single one. Yeah, that book will be in the British Library. How incredible. I think there needs to be, um, a step back from that.

[00:20:45] The next project is about, um, she says designing your projects, but about growing the ingredients that you need for all of those, uh, for all of those, for all of those, uh, dishes to be made and linking all the allotment growers in to grow all of that as well. Both nodding. Yes, that would be good.

[00:21:06] DELYTH: Yeah. Who wants to fin that?

[00:21:09] That would be amazing. Absolutely.

[00:21:13] DAWN: Dear me, dear me, dear me. Um, and also what I’m hearing from both of you talking about is, I keep going back, is the importance of that, not a framework, but the child friendly leads to hold that so that, um, you as professionals can, make those connections with the right social worker, with the right participation worker, with that youth worker, with whoever, with the volunteers who will presumably support that project to thrive.

[00:21:46] Um, just, just inspirational really, and, and a shortcut to getting that project up and running.

[00:21:54] ELVIE: Yeah. I mean, you know, it was great what Del was saying earlier about, you know, Liverpool and thinking about, um, becoming a child friendly city. I would, I would, I’d love to see this, you know, I’ve worked in many different parts of the UK, um, and this is I think the most sort of joined up, um, approach I’ve seen in any individual city that I’ve worked in.

[00:22:14] I would love to see it much more widely adopted. Yeah,

[00:22:18] DELYTH: and I’d love to see what the university does. can do as well. You know what role that we can play as educators, as, I don’t know, connectors. Um, so I think going forward, this is something that I’m quite interested in exploring is the role that we can have as an institution that’s pretty big in Leeds and also what our students can bring to it as well.

[00:22:40] You know, our local students, but also our international students. And yes, I’m, I’m looking to, right, who can I have those conversations with? So

[00:22:49] DAWN: I was at an event in Newcastle where they were naming That sort of a role as community weavers, who are the people and I think that might be the people who you were at your event are the community weavers and that they can take that out and weave the stories together.

[00:23:09] Um, So that it continues as you were saying as a, as an inheritance. Um, I wondered if, um, now that Daleth’s been to an event of, uh, that Elvie hosted, if, if there were other, you started to talk about it, Daleth, but what other, what other, What other collaborations might there be coming out of the made with love project or just you as institutions in the city?

[00:23:35] Really? I wondered if you’d had any thoughts about that now that you’ve experienced a marvelous welcoming event.

[00:23:43] DELYTH: Yeah, I, uh, well, as you know, me and Alvi already had a conversation before this

[00:23:49] DAWN: talk.

[00:23:50] DELYTH: And I actually learned about, sorry, I learned about the amazing work that Alvi and the British Library are doing with other groups of, uh, young people, including care experienced women.

[00:24:04] Um, parents and people and foster carers around reading and storytelling. And we kind of had a discussion that actually this is something that I’m, and I think the university would be really, really interested in. And possibly Blue Cabin. As well, based on Live on air, devising a project. I love

[00:24:25] DAWN: it.

[00:24:27] DELYTH: Um, thinking about, based on Time Together, the project that we did with Blue Cabin, and looking at storytelling and story time and reading, um, as a family time practice.

[00:24:41] And this is something that me and Alvi had a bit of a discussion about. And I would, yeah, absolutely love to talk about that. Sheida as well.

[00:24:48] DAWN: Mm, that’s really interesting, isn’t it? So as it’s almost like the, um, the, uh, in the Venn diagram of that project of, um, you’re interested in the gathering and the telling of stories as is Elvie, but then there is the marvellous, um, the connection.

[00:25:05] the keeper of the stories and the sharer of the stories through the library system. But, um, oh, so you’ve, you have been cooking up another project. Fantastic.

[00:25:16] DELYTH: Yes. Yeah. This is definitely something that I would, uh, yeah. Like to, yeah. I think further about, and of course blue cabin as well. Uh, possibly being a part of that.

[00:25:27] DAWN: Wow.

[00:25:28] DELYTH: Um,

[00:25:28] DAWN: Blue Cabin’s favorite shape is triangles. We like it when there’s three of us to hold something safely together. I can see, I can see that that will be, um, Elvie, did you want to say, to, to talk about the, um, the work that you did with those young mums and the littlies, the reading project that you did.

[00:25:49] ELVIE: Yeah, absolutely. Um, so this was something that we did during one of the lockdowns. How many were there? I have no idea now, but once upon a time when there was a lockdown, um, we did a, it was quite a kind of relatively small, um, kind of short project that we did, um, aiming to, um, try to provide families with kind of a fun, creative, like weekly thing to take part in, um, but also support, um, parents and carers, uh, to think about children’s books and reading, uh, with their children.

[00:26:25] Um, we aim to kind of work with a cohort of Care, care leavers who were parents of young kids between sort of two and five years old. Um, um, we got some, um, young people from that cohort involved, but it was quite a kind of challenge for all sorts of reasons, um, to get them involved. So we opened it out to others, um, foster families.

[00:26:50] kinship care families, um, and others as well. So we had, uh, 14 families take place in that, uh, take part in the end. We, uh, took place over six weeks in early 2021. Uh, we got a wonderful story reader involved called, uh, Maddy Coyleau, who, um, she runs her own company called Story Bees in, uh, West Yorkshire. Um, and the idea was that we would, uh, The reason we went for her, and the reason I called her a story reader rather than a storyteller, excuse me, is that we wanted whatever we did feel like a very accessible, kind of replicable, I suppose, experience for the carers and parents who were involved.

[00:27:34] Um, we wanted to kind of show what a joy and delight and what an easy thing it can be to share the love of, you know, of picture books with very small children. Um, so as it was locked down every week, we sent out a lovely parcel with a picture book, um, and some kind of craft or play materials. Um, and then the families joined us for a sort of 45 minute ish, um, online session where Maddy, uh, read whatever the book was, uh, we did a little bit, a little bit of singing and rhyming as you do, um, and then did a play or kind of craft activity afterwards.

[00:28:10] Um,

[00:28:13] DAWN: Yeah, it was lovely. So lovely. And that idea of, um, receiving a gift through the post or delivered to your door as well, with, with, uh, you know, your craft materials that you need and is, is at the heart of some of the creative life story work sessions that we, we run where the boxes are delivered and then they open them every week as well.

[00:28:37] The idea of a gift, uh, The gift of your recipe book, the gift of those stories, the gift of the students going in and finding it out at the heart of everything. How lovely, lovely. Um, and definitely, that will be something that we could learn from at, um, at Blue Cabin.

[00:29:00] Elvie and Deleth, how fantastic, what a brilliant conversation we’ve had this morning. And I definitely feel that, um, A trip to Leeds from Gateshead is on the way so that we can do some further plotting about how we can best work together. Thank you very much for your time this morning. I’m delighted that you’ve met in Leeds.

[00:29:23] I’m looking forward to the time when we can come down and share a cup of tea and a slice of cake together whilst we plot. Thank you very much.

[00:29:30] ELVIE: Thank you. Thank you.

[00:29:32] DAWN: Whether you’re a foster carer, someone who has experience of the care system, or you work with children and young people, we hope this episode has given you an insight into how we could make Life Story work better for young people.

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We are keen to hear from you: the listener! Whether you work in children’s services, the creative sector, are a foster carer or adoptive parent, someone who has been in care, or you are an artist keen to learn more about this work, we’d like to hear your views on the topics we discuss in the show.

To do so, just click the record button below and record your voicemail through your computer’s microphone.

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